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Post by Goldenfleeced on Oct 9, 2013 0:36:48 GMT
You know that, as a 'thinker,' or at least, one that tries to entertain 'reason' in their thoughts (if nothing else... lol...), I have tried to make sense of the 'numbers' issue; mathematics, and why it is important, and how we came up with all of those numbers to begin wih... do we really need them in order to be 'creative?' Yes and no. Frankly, 'numbers' are only representative... and somewhat arbitrary in nature, I would think, since they must have been originally 'assigned' by someone, somewhere to designate the 'real' thing that it represents. What is the 'real' thing that numbers represent, then...? That was kind of a problem, until I thought about vibration... and words... and music... both of which can be represented numerically; why is that? They both 'vibrate;' and the 'corresponding vibrations' of a thing, seem to be best represented by numbers, in order that consistent equations can be made, which indicate 'reason' and 'order' in what would otherwise be a chaotic system of undesignated and unregulated vibrations, which is probably not even quite conceivable to minds that are used to 'order;' even within their very conceptions of 'chaos,' there follows a certain 'order.' Their 'magicians' cannot use random calls or disorganized spells, for instance, in order to effect their 'order' upon an otherwise innocent, or disaffected, nature... no... in order to wreak 'chaos,' they must cling to very specific and ordered rituals. But I digress... And so... numbers are representative of the vibrations that are necessary to manifest certain conditions. We know that words and letters all correspond to certain numbers, according to the Kabbala, and the reason is that those letters and words set up the same frequencies that the numbers are representative of, especially when expressed vocally... initiating the actual vibrations. Numbers measure those 'vibrations,' and express their measurements, as totals, and multiples, and fractions, of wholes... so to speak...when they are used 'creatively.' To 'be' the numbers then, as I've speculated, would be to embody those vibrations that are set up by the expression of certain numbers, perhaps according to certain mathematical formulas, of which the 'consciousness' is totally unaware... and to further ex-press those principals, on a physical level. It's a thought, anyway... you can always give me yours.
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Post by ayraman on Oct 16, 2013 21:21:13 GMT
You know that, as a 'thinker,' or at least, one that tries to entertain 'reason' in their thoughts (if nothing else... lol...), I have tried to make sense of the 'numbers' issue; mathematics, and why it is important, and how we came up with all of those numbers to begin wih... do we really need them in order to be 'creative?' Yes and no. Frankly, 'numbers' are only representative... and somewhat arbitrary in nature, I would think, since they must have been originally 'assigned' by someone, somewhere to designate the 'real' thing that it represents. What is the 'real' thing that numbers represent, then...? That was kind of a problem, until I thought about vibration... and words... and music... both of which can be represented numerically; why is that? They both 'vibrate;' and the 'corresponding vibrations' of a thing, seem to be best represented by numbers, in order that consistent equations can be made, which indicate 'reason' and 'order' in what would otherwise be a chaotic system of undesignated and unregulated vibrations, which is probably not even quite conceivable to minds that are used to 'order;' even within their very conceptions of 'chaos,' there follows a certain 'order.' Their 'magicians' cannot use random calls or disorganized spells, for instance, in order to effect their 'order' upon an otherwise innocent, or disaffected, nature... no... in order to wreak 'chaos,' they must cling to very specific and ordered rituals. But I digress... And so... numbers are representative of the vibrations that are necessary to manifest certain conditions. We know that words and letters all correspond to certain numbers, according to the Kabbala, and the reason is that those letters and words set up the same frequencies that the numbers are representative of, especially when expressed vocally... initiating the actual vibrations. Numbers measure those 'vibrations,' and express their measurements, as totals, and multiples, and fractions, of wholes... so to speak...when they are used 'creatively.' To 'be' the numbers then, as I've speculated, would be to embody those vibrations that are set up by the expression of certain numbers, perhaps according to certain mathematical formulas, of which the 'consciousness' is totally unaware... and to further ex-press those principals, on a physical level. It's a thought, anyway... you can always give me yours. Absolutely correct and very well put Goldenfleeced. They correspond the vibrations exactly as you say. All physical bodies would have a link to another link that would link the greater whole to the even greater whole. Just keep multiplying. Be fruitful! Multiply! lol Another one of the many biblical multi-dimensional puns. Imo we have the dot in the circle. The dot is a circle as well. A teeny tiny circle. 360 degrees. Just like the bigger circle. So like in 2001 the obelisk holds the key. The primes of 9. The triple three. 396 639 936. 1x4x9=36/4=9 2x4x9=72/4=18 3x4x9=108/4=27 4x4x9=144/4=36 5x4x9=180/4=45 6x4x9=216/4=54 7x4x9=252/4=63 8x4x9=288/4=72 9x4x9=324/4=81 10x4x9=360/4=90 11x4x9=396/4=99 12x4x9=432/4=108 etc... in any direction you choose... xeno's paradox lol Anyway that is the base table of all the sacred numbers, the angle and dimensions of the living circle. The thread that holds the fabric of physical existance together. Threes in a quaternary. 3+4=7 & 3x4=12 to go all Revelation up in here... lol 12x3=36/4=9. 36/3=12/4=3 or 12/3=4. 12x7=84/4=21/3=7. 84/3=28/4=7. 28/3=9.333333333333333333333333 That should be enough circular logic for now lol One more tidbit. A degree of latitude is 69.172 miles. 69.172x40=276688x9=24901.92 or .37 off the circumference of the planet at 24901.55. And as .38 Special used to sing - that's close enough for rock and roll...
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Post by Ringo Da Vida on Aug 29, 2014 5:36:05 GMT
h Hey sweety! You should watch this. It's a calm and very logical rendition of all that number crap I always go on about. Talk to you soon.
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Post by Ringo Da Vida on Aug 29, 2014 5:37:54 GMT
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Aug 29, 2014 6:52:08 GMT
Well, Toot-toot-tootsie... you finally show up, bearing... Homework. There'd better not be a quiz later; I have small hands and an hour and a half worth of crib notes on and about my palms is going to be a really Good Trick... Do you think I can do it...? Odds are 4 to 1... Lolol...
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Aug 29, 2014 7:06:31 GMT
And all of that numeric vibration reminds me of one of my very favorite 'tidbits' of prose... I Sing the Body Electric... just that. I have contemplated it many times, and find it to be quite descriptive, all in all, as well as exceptionally inspiring... We are numbers, really... as I've pointed out before, 'we' are a kind of 'projection' of a huge series of numbers that 'describe' our 'contents' or 'weights and measures' at all times (and this includes even the number of hairs on your head, just as it is written), and these are 'reflected' in this 'image' of you that is the composite of all of those weights and measures, that 'sing' in 'time,' or sync, if you Will... And all of these 'weights and measures' of everything that is, at every moment, is held in the 'mind of God,' where it is Known... what the Rosicrucians refer to as the Fourth Dimension... And that all ties in to the upcoming discussion of the relevance of the Rosicrucian Philosophers, to history and to the future. Good to see you...
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 9, 2014 1:59:03 GMT
I found a quote that I thought would be rather appropriate to place here... these are the words of Pythagoras, whom we might consider to be an 'expert' witness, if you Will... The whole sky is a harmony, and a number.I like that... the 'trick' is to 'get the beat'...
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 10, 2014 7:19:12 GMT
Well, I'm afraid that I owe you all an apology... I had a post ready, and tried to add some music, which I probably should have stopped short of; as I was fooling with the 'insert video' thing, the entire post seems to have disappeared, as it were... bad magic, I'm afraid. So, there's nothing to do, but re-do it, which I wasn't looking forward to, since it's all a hand-typed quote, from a real book... no cut-and-paste quote... oh, noooooo....
Anyway, I ran into this little 'story' while I was reading up on the pyramids, and which subject I will be taking up shortly under the 'Alchemy' heading (provocative, don't you think? Lol...), but to begin, I thought that this piece about another ancient 'marvel' was most interesting, under the circumstances... and should help to shed some further 'light' on what we're discussing...
As mentioned, the same sort of scientific dilemma is associated with the Memnon Colossi in the Theban necropolis. These remarkable monuments were built during the New Kingdom, a period during which the quality of architecture declined in comparison with that of the Old Kingdom. The colossi are two gigantic seated statues of the great Eighteenth Dynasty Pharaoh Amenhotep III. They adorned the entrance of his funerary temple, which is now demolished, but which also must have been spectacular.
The colossi were originally monolithic and are made of exceptionally hard quartzite, a type of stone that is almost impossible to carve. The statues weigh 750 tons apiece and rest on 556-ton pedestals. Including their pedestals, they each originally stood 63-feet high or the height of a seven-story building. The width at the shoulders is twenty feet. The length of the middle finger of the hand is 1.35 meters (4.5 feet).
A legend is associated with the statues. The northernmost of the colossi was damaged during an earthquake around 27 BC. After the earthquake, reports say that every morning when sunlight struck the statue, musical tones, like those of a harp, were emitted. The statue was repaired about 250 years after the earthquake by a Roman emperor, Septimus Severus, during the Roman occupation of Egypt. His men repaired the statue by adding blocks, so it no longer made a solid piece of stone. From the day of the repair forward, the statue remained silent. quote from 'The Pyramids' by Davidovitis and Morris
Well, how do you like that...?
Amenhotep III is the Pharoah that is most associated with the Great White Brotherhood,- we'll get back to that, too... and then, there is this, which really 'resonated' with me, under the circumstances...
By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yes, we wept when we remembered Zion.
We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
For they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying Sing us one of the songs of Zion...
How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land?
Psalm 137
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 10, 2014 8:50:42 GMT
So, ummmm... since I've introduced the subject of 'carving out' 'impossible substances,' I thought that this would make a really good place to 'weave in' one of our previous 'threads' relative to 'making' and 'creation,' which has been the 'meat' of our discussion here, lately; this particular reference also 'resonates' (lol... don't you love it?) with our 'Apprentice Pillar' and Rosslyn Chapel... it really does. See if you don't agree, after some contemplation on this passage, from 'Sefer Yetzirah, The Book of Creation, in Theory and Practice' by Aryeh Kaplan. When one reaches this level, he can actually make something "that actually is" (yeshno) or "existence." He can actually bring about results in the universe of Asiyah, which can then be reflected in the physical world...
A very similar process is described by the great Hassidic master, Rabbi Dov Baer, the Maggid of Mezritch (1704-1772). He writes that when a person contemplates a physical object completely and totally, he can actually bring that object onto his thought. If his thought is then bound to the supernal Mind, he can elevate that object to the level of Mind. From there, it can be further elevated to the level of Nothingness, where the object ceases to exist. When this object is then once again brought back to the level of Mind, it can be brought back in any form that the initiate desires. As the Maggid states, "he can even transform it into gold."
It is in this state of consciousness that one can visualize the Sefirot as "great pillars." One "carves" them out, this meaning that the image of the Sefirah is seen separately, totally filling the consciousness. Even though the Sefirot are totally ineffable and indescribable, when a person is in this state of consciousness, he can "carve" them out. They are then perceived as solid pillars, made of transparent air. Like the air, the Sefirot are still invisible, but in this state of consciousness, even the air can become visible.So... about that 'Apprentice Pillar'...
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 10, 2014 9:16:16 GMT
So, ummmm... since I've introduced the subject of 'carving out' 'impossible substances,' I thought that this would make a really good place to 'weave in' one of our previous 'threads' relative to 'making' and 'creation,' which has been the 'meat' of our discussion here, lately; this particular reference also 'resonates' (lol... don't you love it?) with our 'Apprentice Pillar' and Rosslyn Chapel... it really does. See if you don't agree, after some contemplation on this passage, from 'Sefer Yetzirah, The Book of Creation, in Theory and Practice' by Aryeh Kaplan. When one reaches this level, he can actually make something "that actually is" (yeshno) or "existence." He can actually bring about results in the universe of Asiyah, which can then be reflected in the physical world...
A very similar process is described by the great Hassidic master, Rabbi Dov Baer, the Maggid of Mezritch (1704-1772). He writes that when a person contemplates a physical object completely and totally, he can actually bring that object onto his thought. If his thought is then bound to the supernal Mind, he can elevate that object to the level of Mind. From there, it can be further elevated to the level of Nothingness, where the object ceases to exist. When this object is then once again brought back to the level of Mind, it can be brought back in any form that the initiate desires. As the Maggid states, "he can even transform it into gold."
It is in this state of consciousness that one can visualize the Sefirot as "great pillars." One "carves" them out, this meaning that the image of the Sefirah is seen separately, totally filling the consciousness. Even though the Sefirot are totally ineffable and indescribable, when a person is in this state of consciousness, he can "carve" them out. They are then perceived as solid pillars, made of transparent air. Like the air, the Sefirot are still invisible, but in this state of consciousness, even the air can become visible.So... about that 'Apprentice Pillar'... He 'dreamed it,' if you'll remember... The master stonemason, so one legend goes, had received the design for a pillar. The carvings were so intricate that he was reluctant to begin work on it until he had travelled to Rome to see the original. While he was away, the mason's apprentice had a dream that he had finished the pillar. He set to work and by the time the master mason returned, the pillar was complete, a masterpiece of stonework. The mason was not pleased and killed the apprentice on the spot with a hammer-blow to the head. The plain, fluted Master Pillar in the foreground with the elaborately-carved Apprentice Pillar behind Master and Apprentice Pillars, courtesy of Michael Turnbull The Apprentice Pillar (also called the 'Prentice Pillar or Prince's Pillar in earlier sources) is entwined with carved vines. Its architrave bears the Latin inscription forte est vinum, fortior est rex, fortiores sunt mulieres: super omnia vincit veritas, meaning "wine is strong, the king is stronger, women are stronger still: (but) truth triumphs over all". www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/places/rosslynchapel_1.shtmlIn the Masonic account, it was the Apprentice that 'dreamed' the design for the finished pillar, which seems to make more sense, under the circumstances... as does the title of "Prince's Pillar," don't you think...? www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/rosslyn.htmlOkay, just for 'fun'...
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Jun 30, 2019 5:55:46 GMT
I will walk within windows and those that see me will take divine wholehearted love within my image. My gift to humankind. Gosh... it's not even my birthday...
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