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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 5:33:16 GMT
Since I've chosen to mention this subject in relation to another poster's blog (to which I've provided a link elsewhere), I thought that maybe I should elucidate on this subject. There is a myth that seems to tie this odd subject in with most of the other subjects that we're discussing here, if not exactly in the way that this other poster has 'perceived' it. The Greek historian Herodotus tells:
"Such Egyptians as possess a temple of the Theban Jove, or live in the Thebaic canton, offer no sheep in sacrifice, but only goats; for the Egyptians don't all worship the same gods, excepting Isis and Osiris, the latter of whom they say is the Grecian Bacchus. ... The Thebans, and such as imitate them in their practice, give the following account of the origin of the custom:
"Hercules," they say, "wished of all things to see Jove, but Jove didn't choose to be seen of him. At length, when Hercules persisted, Jove hit on a device - to flay a ram, and, cutting off his head, hold the head before him, and cover himself with the fleece. In this guise he showed himself to Hercules."
Therefore the Egyptians give their statues of Jupiter the face of a ram: and from them the practice has passed to the Ammonians, who are a joint colony of Egyptians and Ethiopians, speaking a language between the two; hence also, in my opinion, the latter people took their name of Ammonians, since the Egyptian name for Jupiter is Amun. Such, then, is the reason why the Thebans don't sacrifice rams, but consider them sacred animals. On one day in the year, however, at the festival of Jupiter, they slay a single ram, and stripping off the fleece, cover with it the statue of that god, as he once covered himself, and then bring up to the statue of Jove an image of Hercules. When this has been done, the whole assembly beat their breasts in mourning for the ram, and afterwards bury him in a holy sepulchre.oaks.nvg.org/ys4ra2.html  And so, the 'mask of God,' so to speak, is actually a Ram's head... I've got a half-shekel that says you knew that.  |
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 5:39:07 GMT
Jove=Jupiter, of course...  Now you know why Jupiter wears the horns of a Ram... The Creator God... Khnum, the Potter... Whose 'offspring' must surely be a 'lamb'... Wouldn't you say? |
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 6:10:15 GMT
And, about 'Hercules'... there are things about the 'character' of Hercules that you may not know... for instance: The account I received of this Hercules makes him one of the twelve gods. Of the other Hercules, with whom the Greeks are familiar, I could hear nothing in any part of Egypt. That the Greeks, however (those I mean who gave the son of Amphitryon that name), took the name from the Egyptians, and not the Egyptians from the Greeks, is I think clearly proved, among other arguments, by the fact that both the parents of Hercules, Amphitryon as well as Alcmena, were of Egyptian origin . . . The Egyptian Hercules is one of their ancient gods. Seventeen thousand years before the reign of Amasis, the twelve gods were, they affirm, produced from the eight: and of these twelve, Hercules is one.
In the wish to get the best information that I could on these matters, I made a voyage to Tyre in Phoenicia, hearing there was a temple of Hercules at that place, very highly venerated . . . In a conversation that I held with the priests, I inquired how long their temple had been built ... They said that the temple was built at the same time that the city was founded, and that the foundation of the city took place two thousand three hundred years ago. In Tyre I remarked another temple where the same god was worshipped as the Thasian Hercules. So I went on to Thasos, where I found a temple of Hercules which had been built by the Phoenicians who colonised that island when they sailed in search of Europa ... These researches show plainly that there's an ancient god Hercules ... Hercules worshipped is known by the name of Olympian, and has sacrifice offered to him as an immortal". [. . .]
With the Egyptians, ... Pan is exceedingly ancient, and belongs to those whom they call "the eight gods," who existed before the rest. Hercules is one of the gods of the second order, who are known as "the twelve"; and Bacchus belongs to the gods of the third order, whom the twelve produced. [All from The History of Herodotus by Herodotus, book 2]
Adding to this:
Herodotus connected Heracles both to Phoenician god Melqart and to the Egyptian god of wind and air, Shu. In Egyptian mythology, Shu (meaning emptiness and he who rises up) married to a sister, is a personification of air. His daughter, Nut, was the sky goddess and his son Geb, the Earth, and whose laughter was earthquakes. Shu held Nut over Geb, separating the two.
As the air, Shu was considered to be cooling, and thus calming, influence, and pacifier. Due to the association with air, calm, and thus Ma'at (truth, justice and order), Shu was sometimes portrayed in art as wearing an ostrich feather (representing truth). Shu was seen with between one and four feathers. [Wikipedia, s.v. "Shu"]
The account I received of this Hercules makes him one of the twelve gods. Of the other Hercules, with whom the Greeks are familiar, I could hear nothing in any part of Egypt. That the Greeks, however (those I mean who gave the son of Amphitryon that name), took the name from the Egyptians, and not the Egyptians from the Greeks, is I think clearly proved, among other arguments, by the fact that both the parents of Hercules, Amphitryon as well as Alcmena, were of Egyptian origin . . . The Egyptian Hercules is one of their ancient gods. Seventeen thousand years before the reign of Amasis, the twelve gods were, they affirm, produced from the eight: and of these twelve, Hercules is one. oaks.nvg.org/ys4ra2.htmlWith a wink and a nod to the poster known as Sugarelf... Shu... or Sugaar, maybe? No... But they do like to think of themselves as a 'calming agent,' for some reason... Notice the number 12, which is representative of 'perfect government,' and is reflected in other 'bodies' that we can think of, I'm sure... Notice also that the number of 'gods' is increased by four... eight to twelve... and we've seen those numbers lately in the Royal Arch symbolism. Really, all of the stories tend to confirm each other, when they are True... and that is Ma'at... And Ma'at holds the Scales... Mene, mene, tekel...
The Truth weighs half a shekel...Baaaahahahaha... |
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 6:12:18 GMT
"In Tyre..."
Which may give us a connection to the Prince of Tyre... et al...
Which I pretty much expected.
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 16:57:27 GMT
Now, I would like to add one more 'story' to the 'mix,' so to speak, and ask you now where you believe that this fits in... Because all of the pieces have to fit, somehow, don't they...? And they do... In the days of the Tabernacle and Temple, the Jews, once a year on Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement, took two goats -- one for the Lord, and one for "Azazel" -- the first goat was sacrificed, and the second goat carried the sins of the people into the wilderness led away by a "fit man" to perish in the desert. What was this second goat, or "Azazel" goat, symbolical of -- what did it represent? Was it a type of Christ? Was it a type of the enemy of mankind, Satan the devil? Controversy rages over this seemingly innocuous question. What is the plain TRUTH...? - William Dankenbring
In the book of Leviticus we read of an intriguing ceremony which was performed every year on the Day of Atonement, or Yom Kippur, in ancient Israel. God commanded the people of Israel, "From the Israelite community he [the high priest] is to take two male goats for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. . . Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. He is to CAST LOTS for the two goats -- one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the LORD and sacrifice it for a sin offering. But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the LORD to be used for making atonement by sending it into the desert as a scapegoat . . .
"He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull's blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it. In this way he will MAKE ATONEMENT for the Most Holy Place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. . . .
"When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the Tent of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites -- all their sins -- and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a SOLITARY PLACE; and the man shall release it in the desert" (Lev.16:5-22).
What is this mysterious "scapegoat" that carries the sins of all the people into the desert? What does this strange ceremony symbolize and foretell? www.triumphpro.com/azazel-goat.htmThe thing to notice here is that they sacrificed goats... not sheep, but goats... in the same way that the ancient Egyptians did not sacrifice sheep, but ONE RAM, only, as described in the ritual above. Do you see the pieces beginning to fall into place? And you know what? I have a lucky half-shekel that says I do know what it's all about... I think it's 'Tool time'... lol... have the monkeys and other 'spacial kriturs' got hold of their keyboards? Lolol... |
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Post by Goldenfleeced on Sept 18, 2014 16:59:44 GMT
And it is Mari, say the Basques, that wanders the mountains... alone... in the guise of a small black male goat...
It fits.
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